tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post8653309541931263006..comments2023-10-20T07:18:50.852-04:00Comments on Living as a Prochoice Christian: God has a plan for all fetuses.Christian Prochoicerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08173641901284085406noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-52123155804500110052010-10-14T21:56:12.678-04:002010-10-14T21:56:12.678-04:00@ anonymous above: When we say that someone who co...@ anonymous above: When we say that someone who committed suicide was mentally ill, it's because they WERE mentally ill. Suicide is usually the result of someone's mental illness. Sometimes people do kill themselves because they want to end their suffering, and then we don't qualify them as mentally ill, we simply say that they wanted to die with dignity. It's fairly obvious when someone committed suicide to end their suffering, at least to their immediate family, who will be notified of the terminal condition they suffered from.<br /><br />Many pro-choicers do support assisted suicide, these pro-choicers probably do belong to pro assisted suicide groups. The pro-choice groups themselves aren't involved with that issue because the pro-choice movement is about sexual and reproductive rights specifically.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-79940335345599709632010-09-16T14:04:18.404-04:002010-09-16T14:04:18.404-04:00And if a mother has a change of circumstance and b...And if a mother has a change of circumstance and becomes financially burdened when her baby is two months old, she needs to crush up a half a dozen xanax and put it in the baby formula. Honorable and painless death out of her desire to make things less painful for her baby. Or when her baby is five, and is diagnosed with leukemia, inject a lethal dose of morphine in that IV, instead of more chemo. Honorable, painless death for her child out of a desire to make life less painful. Based on your reasoning, killing our children (as long as it is painless and honorable [?] ) should be ok whenever we feel the need to spare them further pain. Of course at some point they are able to survive totally independent of us, so we need to determine when that is. But in terms of intrauterine - extrauterine, these are merely stages of developement. And we all know that giving them up for adoption would be too painful, so they must die. Now don't give me the 'clump of cells' argument - we all know that scientifically speaking, all of the genetic material needed for a human being is present at the moment of fertilization - even to determining whether it is male or female, so it is a human being, and we are killing that which is human, so what's the difference? But we all know that killing something at it's most vulnerable stage is always easier, more honorable, right? More representative of a selfless act. <br /><br />And while we're at it - why do we consider suicide an aberration? Why do we point to the individual who commits suicide and say they were mentally ill? Maybe they just wanted to die an honorable and painless death to prevent more suffering. Therefore suicide is a selfless act of love, yes? A person making a choice, making a decision about their own life/body, and it should be supported by pro choice groups. <br /><br />Pro Choice Christian - you should change your user name to Pro Choice God. You seem to think that we have the right to make the decisions of God. Scary for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-81764481126141997502010-08-12T14:39:03.180-04:002010-08-12T14:39:03.180-04:00I think the problem here is nobody seems to unders...I think the problem here is nobody seems to understand the idea of a mercy kill. There's a big difference between a teen mom hating on her newborn and shaking him, stabbing him (or her) and throwing him in the garbage when she's done brutally beating him and a teen who's already on foster care because her parents couldn't take care of her, choosing to have the procedure thats the most painless for her month old fetus in order to keep it from the same sort of life she's known or something worse.<br /><br />The keyword I believe with murder is "malice" and with malice comes intent. If the intent of the killing is to cause torture, pain and to take away from that person and/or their loved ones, then yes, it's murder. If a soldier kills a fallen comrade who's mortally wounded and would only suffer, but not survive, I do not believe it is murder, it's mercy.<br /><br />The intent of a woman who aborts is most likely never to invoke pain. I can't speak for all women but I think it's fair to say that almost all women abort out of a desire to eliminate pain for the fetus, whether it be the pain of growing up at a severe financial disadvantage, the pain of living with a serious disability or deformity that might result in an early death anyway, or simply the pain of growing up with a mother who does not want a child or becoming a forgotten child in foster care, the pain of growing up feeling unloved and unwanted. This is not a malicious act. In the case of the woman who would otherwise love to be a mother but is financially burdened, it can be one of the most unmalicious acts she could ever make. She is putting aside her own desire for motherhood to give the fetus (baby, human, whatever you'd like to call it) inside her the chance for an honorable, painless death without suffering. She is putting aside her needs and desires to make things less painful for someone else. These are acts of love. Not malice.Library Ladyhttp://stacksandcirculation.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-90769175141264820122010-05-30T11:32:28.122-04:002010-05-30T11:32:28.122-04:00Non-christian antilifer OWNED!!Non-christian antilifer OWNED!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-75754078073309959932010-05-28T01:26:46.815-04:002010-05-28T01:26:46.815-04:00Do you believe in the authority of scripture? Do ...Do you believe in the authority of scripture? Do you believe it is the inspired word of God?<br />Do you believe in scriptural inerrancy?<br /><br />I believe you have been exposed for what you aren't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-75111540138008907342010-05-27T23:58:18.689-04:002010-05-27T23:58:18.689-04:00Basic things, obvious antichoice language. I reall...Basic things, obvious antichoice language. I really don't feel the need to get into it.Christian Prochoicerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173641901284085406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-52017622041290958182010-05-27T20:25:26.992-04:002010-05-27T20:25:26.992-04:00And those lies are....? And proof to refute the li...And those lies are....? And proof to refute the lies.....?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-36331247868885823852010-05-27T15:49:24.968-04:002010-05-27T15:49:24.968-04:00I create my opinion.
Interesting article, though...I create my opinion. <br /><br />Interesting article, though they start off with some lies almost immediately.Christian Prochoicerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173641901284085406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-11677363028108214092010-05-26T23:28:42.138-04:002010-05-26T23:28:42.138-04:00What does create your opinion? And I guess whether...What does create your opinion? And I guess whether or not your views are considered 'way out there' depends a great deal on who you ask, and on whose authority you base your views. <br /><br />You should read this.<br /><br />http://www.equip.org/PDF/DA365.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-66723478141006643492010-05-26T19:37:01.690-04:002010-05-26T19:37:01.690-04:00Anonymous @ 3:25 - I googled Joyce Arthur as you a...Anonymous @ 3:25 - I googled Joyce Arthur as you asked. It seems I have a couple of her articles bookmarked, so I have read some of her work. However, *my* views are not based upon her views. It does not surprise me that two people could reach similar conclusions about the Bible- how else do you think religious groups stay together? <br /><br />I have looked into multiple sources on scripture, none of which create my opinions but do help to shape them. They range from random bloggers to articles by the pope to writings of early Christian scholars- and everything inbetween! <br /><br />Just so you know, my views are not "way out there," so to speak. There are many Christian groups and churches which agree with the general ideas I speak of. There are Jewish groups as well.Christian Prochoicerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173641901284085406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-58096152941668613262010-05-26T15:30:05.312-04:002010-05-26T15:30:05.312-04:00sorry *legitimate :)sorry *legitimate :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-38769504421134081452010-05-26T15:29:26.368-04:002010-05-26T15:29:26.368-04:00at any rate, I would appeal to you to seek out lig...at any rate, I would appeal to you to seek out ligitimate Christian scholars who soundly interpret these passages, comparing scripture with scripture, and come to a vastly different conclusion. Unless for some reason, as a Christian, you feel it necessary to distance yourself from the authority of scripture and the correct application of it as taught by scholarly Christian apologists I'd be interested to hear that reason, if it exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-14071035061610369812010-05-26T15:25:57.183-04:002010-05-26T15:25:57.183-04:00google search Joyce Arthur. She is an atheist. If ...google search Joyce Arthur. She is an atheist. If you don't base your arguments on one of her internet posts about biblical support for abortion, then you have concluded the same thing nearly verbatim. What an amazing coincidence! Perhaps you have just heard every other 'pro-choice christian' use the same argument, and you just didn't realize where it came from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-43073813863262074352010-05-23T16:29:26.141-04:002010-05-23T16:29:26.141-04:00\\Also, the cuckolded husband of the adulteress is...\\Also, the cuckolded husband of the adulteress is vindicated by God himself. For all we know the adulteress wanted the baby of her lover and was fine with deceiving and cuckolding her husband. \\<br /><br />"Are you saying that God rewarded the husband, by making his wife miserable, by killing her fetus?"<br /><br />Not exactly. Rather, no man wants to be stuck raising a kid that his wife conceived while cheating on him. Having to raise the child would be an insult and unfair to him. So the husband gets justice. The point is God is taking the side of the innocent injured party. In this case the husband of the adulterous woman. The fact that the baby dies is the fault of the adulterous woman because she cheated her husband.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-47608869573946065682010-05-17T16:45:03.314-04:002010-05-17T16:45:03.314-04:00Anonymous @ 2:32 - I do not base my arguments on i...Anonymous @ 2:32 - I do not base my arguments on interpretations by an atheist. I'm not sure where you got that idea. <br /><br />Mirabella- the humanity (or personhood) of the fetus is really irrelevant. Even if we said the fetus was a person, it still wouldn't be murder for a woman to have an abortion. As well, there's more to the definition of murder than what you provided. <br /><br />Anonymous @ 10:44am- Although I agree the personhood of the fetus has been argued forever, there are still many different Biblical based opinions on when life starts.Christian Prochoicerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173641901284085406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-17625188890288859832010-05-10T10:44:03.275-04:002010-05-10T10:44:03.275-04:00"I think it would be prudent to debate the hu..."I think it would be prudent to debate the humanity of the unborn, from a Biblical, scientific, or philosophical perspective, and derive our conclusions on the morality of abortion from there." <br /><br />============================<br /><br />Debating the humanity of the unborn has been done ad nauseum. Point is that if you are a Christian, debate must have as it's basis an immutable truth - the authority of God's word. Still curious about a Christian who will embrace an atheist's interpretation of scripture. Still curious about an atheist who will quote scripture to argue her bias. Conclusion - neither one of them has the faintest idea of what the bible says or means.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222052704423134891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-16965087942903184822010-05-10T03:11:24.360-04:002010-05-10T03:11:24.360-04:00lol whatever have you done....33 comments and coun...lol whatever have you done....33 comments and counting...either this is brilliance or an overreaction. I wonder which one it is.Chiaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-64549889926908562042010-05-09T22:01:50.790-04:002010-05-09T22:01:50.790-04:00Just coming into this I wanted to clear up the iss...Just coming into this I wanted to clear up the issues here.<br /><br />I think we can all agree that murder is wrong, both from the Bible and societies laws.<br />Murder has been defined as the unlawful killing of a human being.<br /><br />Therefore the real issue here is not what God does as he is not only soverign but beyond our understanding.<br /><br />The issue is simply, is the foetus human?<br /><br />If it is human then abortion qualifies as murder as we are killing a human being without a justified reason, and we have determined murder is wrong therfore we should fight for the right of the unborn.<br /><br />If it is not human then abortion bears no more moral, social, or spiritual consequences than having a wart removed as it is not murder.<br /><br />I think it would be prudent to debate the humanity of the unborn, from a Biblical, scientific, or philosophical perspective, and derive our conclusions on the morality of abortion from there.Mirabellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-60888036754172152282010-05-07T02:32:35.000-04:002010-05-07T02:32:35.000-04:00Why, Prochoice Christian, do you base your biblica...Why, Prochoice Christian, do you base your biblical arguments on an interpretation of Numbers 5, and Exodus, by an atheist, Joyce Arthur? She mocks Christianity, and the word of God. An adequate analogy escapes me here. It's like leaving your kids with a pedophile 'cause he says he will take good care of them. again - Why?!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03222052704423134891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-15283209446570405672010-05-06T19:50:01.925-04:002010-05-06T19:50:01.925-04:00\\Also, the cuckolded husband of the adulteress is...\\Also, the cuckolded husband of the adulteress is vindicated by God himself. For all we know the adulteress wanted the baby of her lover and was fine with deceiving and cuckolding her husband. \\<br /><br />Are you saying that God rewarded the husband, by making his wife miserable, by killing her fetus?Christian Prochoicerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173641901284085406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-74928768638250948712010-05-06T16:47:04.479-04:002010-05-06T16:47:04.479-04:00God doesn't help you make your life what you w...God doesn't help you make your life what you want it to be. He is in charge. Either you do it His way or you are wrong. God does not exist to make our dreams come true. We exist to glorify Him even if it requires our own death.<br /><br /><br />Also, the cuckolded husband of the adulteress is vindicated by God himself. For all we know the adulteress wanted the baby of her lover and was fine with deceiving and cuckolding her husband. <br /><br />As for God killing the unborn, that is pretty much a non issue since He already has all authority to give and take life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-89645544083406280442010-05-03T16:24:59.009-04:002010-05-03T16:24:59.009-04:00i love this post and believe that it is true...one...i love this post and believe that it is true...one very strong woman at our clinic once told me during our counseling session that her faith in god has been renewed due that god has provided her the choice a being able to terminate a pregnancy. and when the time comes in her future that she wants to get pregnant and carry through with the pregnancy that she believes god will also bless her with a healthy child.<br />this statement was so strong, so powerful all i could do was hug her and let her know how supported she is.emily_thomas_wwhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-59821333302690717682010-04-30T16:28:37.306-04:002010-04-30T16:28:37.306-04:00"Tell me. Is this the kind of love that cause..."Tell me. Is this the kind of love that causes a mother to kill her fetus? "<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />"Is injecting chemicals into a fetus' heart to stop its beating before instruments are introduced to dismember it kindness? "<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />"Seeking the good of that fetus? Killing it is a selfless act?"<br /><br />Yes. Yes.Christian Prochoicerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08173641901284085406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-74679700660658568602010-04-30T00:58:59.357-04:002010-04-30T00:58:59.357-04:00Love is patient,
Love is kind;
Love is not envio...Love is patient, <br />Love is kind; <br />Love is not envious, is not vain, is not proud; <br />does not behave indecently, seeks good for others - not for itself, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil. Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth, <br />Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, ENDURES all things. Love never fails. <br /><br />Tell me. Is this the kind of love that causes a mother to kill her fetus? <br /><br />Is injecting chemicals into a fetus' heart to stop its beating before instruments are introduced to dismember it kindness? Seeking the good of that fetus? Killing it is a selfless act?<br /><br />Perhaps you, as a Christian, have a better definition of love?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502394216918844890.post-714160146126647682010-04-29T23:46:51.289-04:002010-04-29T23:46:51.289-04:00My response: that's sick. and a stupid answer....My response: that's sick. and a stupid answer. keep up the good work.<br /><br /><br />Do you have children?<br /><br />Signed,<br />:) (to avoid confusion)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com